The Coaches Group Chat
Grab a drink and a seat at the table with hosts Matt Houlihan, Arielle Houlihan and Chad Gordon as we chat about the world of volleyball, coaching, business, and whatever else Arielle feels like!
The Coaches Group Chat
S2E9: We're back baby, Traitors Poll, Replay Systems, Collegiate Drama
We make our triumphant return for Season 3 (it's actually season 2 episode 9 but it's been forever since our last episode), putting to rest any rumors about internal fighting while offering sincere apologies for the technical difficulties that prevented the release of our previous recordings.
• Debating the latest Traitor's Poll rankings with special focus on CSUN vs Loyola placement
• Criticizing current replay systems in college volleyball and proposing either professional-grade systems or faster decision processes
• Analyzing CSUN's challenging Chicago road trip against Lewis and Loyola
• Discussing the remarkable service runs that led Grand Canyon to dominate BYU
• Examining attendance figures across men's volleyball with Hawaii leading at 6,400 fans per game
• Highlighting Hawaii's impressive volleyball program where men's volleyball ranks second only to football in donations
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Speaker 2:So Thomas Nelson's going through your comments and somebody said dude, it's matadors, matables, that whole back and forth. Thanks for being an ass Happy to help Blah blah blah and then he looks it up and it is matables. What it literally on the Wikipedia page? It says Cal State, northridge matables.
Speaker 3:Oh, he definitely changed it. He went on the Wikipedia and changed it. We're back.
Speaker 4:For season three. Season three, I love season three, it's the best.
Speaker 3:You didn't think we'd be back for season three so soon. You know what guys. I think people thought we were fighting. Yeah, the band was fighting. Why, why would people?
Speaker 4:think that because we stopped recording no, I'm saying like, like, was it like a you guys thing, or like, was it like a matt and I think like what do you like you were fighting, like what was the story, but we always fight the story was it had to be more had to be more, like they thought oh, so we were fighting with you, but I'm the problem, yeah
Speaker 2:I think you're. Yeah, I'm the I'm the variable was it because matt didn't know how to record a podcast?
Speaker 3:Fun fact, we weren't fighting. We're going to start off season three, episode one, with a round of apologies. I think I should probably go first. Let me tell you a little tale, a little story from what was supposed to be whatever episode eight. We recorded the entire thing and I know, absolutely failed on the audio recorded, two podcasts, two yeah we recorded two and, yeah, the first one that we recorded. I didn't connect the audio, so we did the whole thing.
Speaker 2:It was great it was actually a really good it was hysterical, probably the best episode we've ever recorded. It was the top one Didn't have the audio.
Speaker 3:So that was on me. That one was my bad, and then the second one. We tried to record. The software that I used just absolutely went Something happened.
Speaker 2:It went haywire.
Speaker 3:We got hacked, it was Russia. Russia decided that our podcast was too valuable.
Speaker 2:It was Bulgaria.
Speaker 4:They're huge fans.
Speaker 3:I don't know what you're talking about we're big we got a lot of bulgarian fans. I don't know what you're saying, if any. If anything, it was probably like a hawaii fan that hacked us for sure, took down our software yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 2:Um, but we're back for season three. We were like trying to record last week and then the week before and the week before and the week before. It just hasn't it just.
Speaker 3:Chad was in another country. There was a lot going on.
Speaker 2:Lots of things have been happening, so sincerest apologies to our two listeners, but we love you and we're back.
Speaker 3:Chad's mom. We appreciate you. Sorry, mom, my mom doesn't listen. Do we have any other apologies? Anything else that you've seen a blanket apology for before we continue on?
Speaker 2:The 7-Eleven guys have taken a hit because we haven't ordered from them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, our Door Dasher of the Week, but Chaz got his.
Speaker 2:Almond Joys Bobby's got. Her Sweet Tart Ropes Matt's got.
Speaker 3:Cutting Season, I've got a spin drift.
Speaker 2:And I have lucky charms.
Speaker 3:Let's get into the traders poll because we don't deal with the ABCA anymore because they're bogus Traders. A couple notes we put in our information today I really like where our rankings came to in terms of representation across the board. But I did ask Chad, because he put in his and he kept BYU in his top 10, and he has UCI above Hawaii and above USC, which is different than all the other people on the poll. So I wanted to just give Chad a quick second to showcase for us why let's start with UCI, since you've got them higher than everyone else.
Speaker 4:You've got them at three, yeah, I mean. So Irvine's got these four losses right, back-to-back to UCLA and back-to-back in the stand right at UH. Sc has two losses right, both against Irvine, I think right. And then obviously Hawaii's got Stanford and then recently USC. Um, yeah, I think for me it's just it's easier for Hawaii to win at at Hawaii, right, like I really liked their odds, cause they're hosting the conference championship, yep, um, and yeah, I mean they like Irvine.
Speaker 4:Like the knock with them is like, hey, man, like they lost six sets in a row at uh, how are they higher? I get that. Um, you know niff playing, you know whack-a-mole, or like you know picking names out of the hat for the roster. For me I'm just like I don't know, maybe he's just trying to try something, but like obviously they don't play that way normally. You know you're going to hawaii, so I can, I can forgive some of those. Um, and yeah, I mean, like you know, hawaii probably should have handled Sanford better, didn't? Uh, and then just lost the USC. And so again, if we're thinking about, hey, who do who do I like to win it? I like, I like Irvine's chances on a neutral floor because the natty's not played at Hawaii uh over what I've seen from UH playing so far.
Speaker 3:Speaking just to go off of that UH comment needing to take down Stanford. Did you guys see the Out of System interview with Nikolov?
Speaker 1:I'm not mentioning Hawaii just because I know they're really good. I have a Bulgarian guy there. I really want to beat him. I don't want to say anything nice about him.
Speaker 4:Is he running his mouth at you?
Speaker 1:I mean, obviously it's friendly banter yeah, definitely, we talk like after every game. He even like texted me like a couple minutes ago that he's really excited to play me and to beat me, and I told him that he has to beat teams like Stanford first in order for him to talk about us. But yeah, it's all jokes, it's all love with me and him.
Speaker 3:I was like damn, I mean some shade at Stanford, but also, true, you got to be able to take care of a team like Stanford at home. Stanford can beat a lot of top teams, but that's definitely right now a a lower loss in terms of the what would be their rpi and kind of strike the schedule. So I can see where that goes.
Speaker 4:like that you're trying to kind of remove the recency bias of hey, they just lost, they also, yeah, I mean, you're looking at the records and it's like okay, four losses versus two versus two. Like yeah, I get it like on its face. Um, but yeah, I would, I would give them the recency. And then you got to put usc above. Uh, like they just, yeah, beat hawaii in hawaii. So, like you know, what are you, what are?
Speaker 2:you gonna do there. Exactly why I put c sun over loyal.
Speaker 3:I have to this weekend it's because of because it was at loyola, because of a lot of reasons, but yes, okay yeah, you, yeah, go, let's go, yeah, let's, let's jump right over there. You've got your. You had the the interesting one. You got csun loyola head to head. You. You drop csun back from where you had them last week.
Speaker 2:I actually wanted to drop pepperdine back, but I couldn't because I had them in my week before yeah, they were and they didn't do anything this weekend, so like I couldn't reasonably played menlo yeah, because you got pepperdine.
Speaker 3:Who lost to Loyola at Pepperdine? Yeah, so that's the one on your top 10.
Speaker 2:That's a little bit of a head scratcher for me, so then I would put McKendree up higher, which is fine, but they're winning in five a lot lately and so they're like almost losing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they just took five like 60 40 yeah, but like at the end of the day, I'd rather be the team winning, winning winning's better got it, got it, got it so you're gonna stand by that one, or anything you like to switch by anything, but I definitely stand by Northridge over Loyola. Break it down for us, why? Because Loyola beats them head to head.
Speaker 2:Because you can't be out of rotation and be in college and then be in the top 10.
Speaker 4:You lose a place just for that, yeah you lose.
Speaker 2:They lost the match for me there. The game was over. The game was over.
Speaker 3:To be fair, lose this for sure. They lost the match for me. There the game was, the game was over. Hey to, to be fair, I, I saw some. I I dove into the csun loyal match, the fifth set. We had a very, very controversial call. I didn't do it in my little instagram video, but there was a, a letter. You like how I called it, my little, my little instagram video.
Speaker 2:Degraded your own instagram. There, my little video, my little Instagram video. Degraded your own Instagram. My little video, my little, little teeny video.
Speaker 3:Um, no, but there was a big call 11, 12. Well, it was up. They get out of system. They hit a ball against a triple block. They hit it out of bounds. The initial ruling is out of bounds. Loyola challenges it to challenges for a touch. After a lengthy review, they end up calling a touch and giving the point to Loyola, making it 13 to 11.
Speaker 2:And you saw the replay.
Speaker 3:And I got the videographer like super high def cam view, so not what the Loyola replay official was using.
Speaker 2:They were using the TV cameras. So Loyola people definitely sent it to you.
Speaker 3:No I know yeah exactly and yeah, the replay review shows that there was pretty clearly not a touch in the high definition. Now, obviously you know, not the greatest of cameras, but you know they were probably. You can see how some of these replay officials might be copy pasting their own beliefs into what they saw onto the, onto the challenge.
Speaker 4:I mean is this are we just had a point with some of these things of like? Either you're going to do it properly and you go get a fancy system like what they use internationally, or you just don't have it Right Because you're going to get some stuff like this where it slows down the game. It takes three minutes because they have again what four Game Boy Colors recording the video and one toaster.
Speaker 4:Why is the potato out there? I don't know. That's our net cam. What um? And it just you know like. How often do people like you have a lot of eyeballs watching the exact same thing? You know, does it help you more than it hurts you?
Speaker 3:I guess this is kind of my question because I think on the on the touch I could agree with you on the touches. Like the touches are so hard, it's so like the TV camera when it's moving and you're trying to pick up like a finger, like that. It just doesn't work.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It looks blurry. It is blurry At the end, the iPhone camera will catch it. I mean better than the TV cameras kids sitting on the end line filming it. Just I mean, honestly, that is a better replay system than the majority of replay systems in the country play challenge.
Speaker 3:We're going to billy on his iphone back here honestly, just give it to the person who's doing the radar gun or whatever like just multitask or whatever, and no it's a good point, though, like, either put in the right system or let's remove, specifically remove the touches, remove the things where it's just so hard to read the game. Like, if you can read the lines, you can read the lines with a TV camera. For the most part Is the ball up or down. Those are challenging. Those are some more difficult ones that usually take a longer amount of time.
Speaker 2:I like the stoppage, I like the drama, I like the game theory on how to use them as timeouts and how to slow the game down. Yeah, but it's unwatchable. You them as timeouts and like how to slow the game down and how to, yeah, but it's unwatchable like you're just making.
Speaker 3:You're making the television worse. I agree, like that's fun as a coach. What television exactly I want exactly? You just answered the question no, I agree with it.
Speaker 4:Don't worry, I'm like, just put a time, just put a timer on it look, shot clock if you can't do it in 30 seconds. It's not obvious. Move on on, yeah.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent. Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 3:We, I, we got referees that look like Warren Buffett back there like moving like turtles over to the replay review.
Speaker 4:Like that's so true If you're getting the early bird special. You get an extra 15 seconds.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like if someone's at the table like happen for you, kind of like you know dialed up?
Speaker 3:yeah, there's just too much room for human error right now in volleyball. I mean, I think this is a good, a good little segue of just creating the app, the ai app, that just covers all this.
Speaker 4:For us, this was like the group chat for like 15 minutes and I was like yeah snooze. I just I can't I'm in the middle.
Speaker 3:What's happening? Stop chat's.
Speaker 2:Like I've seen this app for three years, but it's an app that does pickleball and tennis the coach's group chat was going off about old ai while chad is working on new ai, not cutting edge ai at all, but here for the volleyball community is probably new because everything's cutting edge because we have turtles that are refereeing games.
Speaker 3:We have potatoes and Game Boy Colors. Yes, can I explain this app please? We take Billy and the iPhone camera and we set them up on the back end line and it tracks all the shots and it just will tell you if the ball is in or out, based upon the camera review, and so it just does it all for you. Out, based upon the camera review. And so it just does it all for you. And in pickleball, you just literally like, click it on your apple watch. Someone calls it out. You can click challenge on your apple watch and it'll show you on your watch.
Speaker 2:Every person in the crowd looks at their apple watch and it goes in out way more interactive.
Speaker 3:I like it also. I then got a bunch of people commenting being like, yeah, it's not accurate at all. I'm like, but the technology is gonna get there. All right, chad's got this chad's batman, if you if you want it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean it's like it's frame rates and qualities and all this kind of stuff and like on those things, you know you're playing one-on-one. You can see the lines pretty clearly. There are a lot of people in the way. Yeah, you want to use this for volleyball? I got I got 12 people between me and the far end line. How are you gonna going to call the far?
Speaker 3:end line. Well, yeah, you need one on both sides. You need probably two.
Speaker 4:right Now it's like all right, well, you got to be able to see all the lines and so your outside hitter is transitioning balls in and out. You could probably do it okay with two. I wouldn't think that'd be crazy, crazy.
Speaker 3:Could you imagine this at a club tournament, though, if you had Volley station AI, with two cameras set up on both ends and you just get rid of line judges? Like all the kids, the kids don't need to line judge anymore. It's literally just an iPad set up on the character but being on the line and getting yelled at getting yelled at by parents.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's a rite of passage. We would imagine society.
Speaker 3:That is actually one of my. We'd be nowhere.
Speaker 2:That is one of my child, that's a boy, that's just a child out here. You're an adult, you're a grown man, you're an adult, yeah no, it's always it's honestly, it's mainly moms yeah so but I like, I like to be able to do that I look for those moments.
Speaker 4:It's my, it's my hero, complex, kicking in yeah, clearly I like the idea, though I mean to tie in with the replay system of like, hey, look ball, look ball in out. And then, hey, that camera is also 4K, 60, whatever Touches you know. Hey, you want to stream to the iPad for the R1 or something? Scroll back, I can't figure it out. Yep, ball stays. Yeah, yeah, tough. It is what it is. Seems like a lot of investment to meant to save a 13-year-old 20 minutes to ref a set.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but imagine if the tournament paid for it. If you're like, hey, I'm a club and my kids don't have to ref, or my coach doesn't have to ref, and I can make the kid be the down ref instead, I know that it's going to be covered.
Speaker 2:People are trying to get into the tournament business and be like this tournament is better.
Speaker 3:You know why?
Speaker 4:Because you don't have to ref at this tournament yeah, because we have volley station ai here yeah, I mean, it's like how, I mean like the blind stuff, as like an example, right, like maybe not the touches.
Speaker 4:I don't know exactly how you could automate that. You still probably need someone manually looking at it. But, like you know, hey, how do you want to like code practice, right, there's no like next server, or like there's no point awarded. So you kind of need to know the ball on this side of the line or that side of the line, like I mean, this is stuff you already have to deal with yeah but yeah, you need.
Speaker 4:You need something that isn't shot on a potato, because otherwise it's like strobe, strobe or like just blur as it hits the line, you're like yeah. I can, which is what everyone's working with right now maybe yeah just hey, everybody out there, just use better, just shoot on better video yeah.
Speaker 3:I think Long Beach when I was still coaching Long Beach was the only program that had the true Hawkeye system and it was real deal.
Speaker 4:Yeah, people saw in the Olympics it's automatic. It's amazing. Two seconds, it's great.
Speaker 3:That really sped up the game. Okay, well, I'm glad we got your product roadmap figured out for you, so where we can go next. Before we move along from the Traders' Poll, I just need to talk a little shit real quick. We did not get our submission today from one, bradley Keller and or Spencer McLaughlin.
Speaker 2:And I'd just like to. They're in spring season Like they're not even doing anything.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean they're coaching, they're doing their thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean they're doing the thing but I mean, they don't have anything to do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, come on guys. Brad actually called me for seven seconds today. Literally the call is seven seconds. And he's like hey, I saw you already posted it without me and just wanted you to know that I'm going to be better next week. So thank you very much and talk to you soon. I was like he literally called me. I saw Brad Keller pop up and I answered the phone. I was like early is on time.
Speaker 2:On. Time is late.
Speaker 3:Late is unacceptable. That's so annoying and he's like yep, yep, yep, that's all me and we'll be better. So they said they'll be better next week, but we're putting you publicly on blast because you think Spence spends.
Speaker 4:Has that as an excuse?
Speaker 2:We can also put a help. Wanted sign up on the Traders Bowl.
Speaker 3:Josh Walker, we are actively begging, pleading, reaching out to you to step on up.
Speaker 2:Or if there's any good coaches that wish they were in the men's game.
Speaker 3:Or just like yeah, if you just support the men's game reach out to us at the Coaches Group Chat. We have an Instagram now. You can message us.
Speaker 2:Supporting men's sports.
Speaker 4:Everyone watches men's sports.
Speaker 3:Everyone watches men's sports. We're going to make hoodies. We got to have hoodies, okay, well, the CSUN Madibles returned to Chicago and we call them Madibles because their jerseys.
Speaker 2:This is our game of the week. Yeah, because there was too much that happened.
Speaker 3:This Just because there was too much that happened. Yeah, this was the matchup of the weekend they actually played at.
Speaker 2:Lewis, actually, it really wasn't the matchup of the weekend, it was just a matchup no no CSUN.
Speaker 3:these were the best matches of the weekend.
Speaker 4:It's been a slow two weeks, to be honest.
Speaker 2:Also, it's been 17 weeks since we filmed, but that's okay.
Speaker 3:Well, that's fair.
Speaker 2:This is a matchup, they matchup.
Speaker 3:They're in Chicago so they're playing Lewis. They go to five with Lewis at Lewis Epic game back and forth Lewis like from what I have seen, seen on video and then also heard from like talking to coaches. The Lewis student section is wild in part of my french. Your fucking year, they are all over good, good and yeah, so it was very. It was heated. You could see after csun won like they all were screaming, they just were yeah, yeah just screaming back at the student section.
Speaker 3:So they end up winning 1715 at lewis. Um, I think lewis is ranked whatever like 16 17 yeah, somewhere on the on the. Whatever the other pole is named I'm not familiar, the Voldemort pole, he who shall not be named and then they go to Loyola to take on the Ramblers. So I was like wait, what's their? Name.
Speaker 2:The Ramblers, the Rambles.
Speaker 3:Are they also the Bulls? And that one also went five and that one was also pretty damn epic. Did you get to see any of this match?
Speaker 4:I only watched some out-of-rotation footage. Okay, gotcha, you saw the out-of-rotation footage.
Speaker 3:That was wild. I didn't get to see the full match but I went in and normally I'm all in metrics just kind of like I'll watch and see, kind of like what fires. But I went, went and listened, or not listened, read the recap from Loyola Chicago and I see this on set two. They're like, and set two ended on an out of rotation call and reversed two points to give Lewis the game, and I was like, well, I gotta fucking see that, like what happened here, they ended up. They they subbed the same middle blocker twice for serving sub and so it was a. You're only allowed to utilize it once.
Speaker 2:Okay, hold up, I have to take this into a different direction, really quickly Go ahead. Do you remember for our Westerns when Gage Worsley served for both middles, the entire final?
Speaker 3:And we were sitting there.
Speaker 2:This was before Beta Bay was like we weren't good or something I don't know and that team was there and gage gage and joe and you were yeah all of them, and they were playing in the finals of the far western tournament and gage served for both middles and not a single person better than I sat there and watch it. We're like I can't believe this kid's doing this, the whole fucking game.
Speaker 3:He's just, he's just ripping jump serves at like every three times.
Speaker 2:Like it was so funny to watch. Nobody even call it yeah and got away with it the whole time yeah okay, just go back to the north ridge. Sorry, yeah, that's exactly. No, that's exactly right, like that's.
Speaker 3:That's some club shit, that's some club stuff that happens there, and this happened in NCAA men's volleyball and that was a literal comical.
Speaker 2:I want to know who caught it. Csun called the timeout. Who on CSUN caught it? Csun didn't catch it.
Speaker 3:The book scorekeeper caught it, told R2. R2 walked over and they ended it. So thank goodness, csun called the timeout, because it gave them actually time to like gather and be like wait. You're not allowed to do this. Yeah, so, but it was a super back and forth game. It was a battle of the opposites. Jalen Phillips was was a phenom yet again. Yeah, when it came down to it, loyola just found found some service pressure at the end that that season couldn't really handle.
Speaker 3:I mean it went extras. It could have gone either way, but Loyola was was in the driver's seat. Pretty much the entire fifth set from.
Speaker 2:I'll give it to Northridge.
Speaker 3:You're still going Northridge.
Speaker 2:Sorry, hey, neutral floor, neutral floor. Yeah, also like out of rotation. Sorry, game over. Honestly, at that point I would have been like, okay, y'all can go home.
Speaker 3:Give up. Try to get next year Burn it to the ground.
Speaker 2:Go home.
Speaker 4:Yeah, byu Grand Canyon twice.
Speaker 3:Yeah, which was a split, but man, oh man, that second match.
Speaker 2:Oh, byu Grand Canyon. The second match was a slaughter 16, 17, 19, I think, were the scores.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but like the 19 wasn't like 19.
Speaker 2:No yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean, like BYU was, it was like 17, nine, it was 16.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 16. Yeah, 16, nine.
Speaker 4:And it was a 17 to three run. Then, yeah, so I'm like, oh shoot, all right, well, they're going four. So I'll just, I'll wait and I'll just I'll catch it in a sec, because, you know, I want to see Jarrett play and all this kind of stuff. I come back and I'm like 3-0 sweep. No, that must be like from another night or something. I was like 25-9. No, it was seven. There's no what so then I'm like, and then, yeah, jared sparked it, jared goes back, yeah.
Speaker 2:Jared got. I asked Matt this at the park earlier like how many players have gotten offensive and defensive player of the week. He got offensive and defensive player of the MBSF player of the week.
Speaker 4:Oh, wow, awesome.
Speaker 2:Like I don't know. I've never seen that.
Speaker 4:It's probably pretty unique, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:He got offensive and defensive player. Mbsf player of the week this week.
Speaker 4:I'm sure the NCAA will post about that and Joel scored at the Bay FC game Trifecta.
Speaker 2:Really big week in the Anderson house yeah.
Speaker 3:Joel commented on my video today. Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I had to do that tag. I did a little mashup of him serving four.
Speaker 2:Did you say, you guys goal.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was him serving three aces in a row and then I in and they went back to jared getting his fourth ace in a row. And yeah, I mean after, after, like even the third ace.
Speaker 1:You gotta see the body language shift. Yeah, on byu.
Speaker 2:They're like, oh fuck, fuck, we don't have this. And uh, they didn't say that they don't curse, no, they would ever.
Speaker 3:They said fudge, fudge, fudge and it went. Yeah, it went downhill fast. Kioni had an ending there. They got ace two more times on. The next guy is the one that went on the biggest service run the outside hitter and it was ugly. Byu was floundering.
Speaker 2:Grand Canyon is a great place to play.
Speaker 3:It is, they're raucous. They're a raucous spot.
Speaker 2:Raucous.
Speaker 3:Raucous R-A-U-C-O-U-S.
Speaker 4:Raucous.
Speaker 3:It's like loud and.
Speaker 1:Like. Playing in the Like ruckus.
Speaker 3:Yeah, kind of, what's the?
Speaker 2:difference between ruckus and ruckus. I've only heard of ruckus.
Speaker 4:Ruckus is a noun, ruckus is Adjective.
Speaker 3:I guess yeah, but basically it means it's loud, it's a loud place.
Speaker 4:You've been there. You came with me Playing in the stand, playing in Provo. Raucous, it's a raucous crowd.
Speaker 2:Everybody's got their own very very unique brand of volleyball, like where it's at.
Speaker 3:Did you guys see the drop dimes rankings on the attendance thus far this season that I did? No, so number one obviously Hawaii.
Speaker 2:I love how anti all of our stuff, we all are. We're all just like.
Speaker 4:No, I didn't see that, oh yeah, you guys are like a third of the people I follow we all post too much that we're like the number one is stan sheriffs, and they're averaging 6400 fans a game so they're literally lower than normal for that.
Speaker 2:No, it's higher, it's actually hard.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Okay, almost close.
Speaker 3:It's a great take when they, when they had their national championship run team, that this is about the attendance they were probably getting a little bit higher. Yeah, so they make up like 45% of all men's volleyball attendance.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Smithfield House at 4074.
Speaker 2:How much do they fit in that building, though?
Speaker 3:About six, I believe Walter Pyramids at 2,039 and Walter Pyramids max is like 3,000-ish.
Speaker 4:But they've had a couple sellouts.
Speaker 3:And then they've had a couple matches that have been like man nobody comes to.
Speaker 2:Oh really.
Speaker 3:Number four. Guys care to that who's? Number four attendance Irvine no tell me it's Lewis UC Irvine. Wow the brand event center almost 2019, 1913 average.
Speaker 2:They've always done a consistently good job.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, they're doing, they're doing they're doing pretty good, pretty good in there. How about number five?
Speaker 4:UCLA Is SC or UCLA getting some teams this year?
Speaker 3:Yeah, UCLA is next 1,657. And then, to round out the top 10, it goes Galen Center with a drop, they go to 1,151. Ball State 1,090. Rec Hall for Penn State 845. And Dwindling Covelli Center,090. Rec Hall for Penn State 845. And dwindling Covelli Center 824. And then GCU an average attendance of 768. And then Stanford is actually just at number 11.
Speaker 4:I'm surprised Ohio State's not higher too. Yeah well, ohio State's having a bad year.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, and so is Penn State. So is Penn State yeah.
Speaker 4:What else are you doing in Columbus?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so like Grand Canyon last year, I think they were averaging like 1,600 fans, so they're down big right now. Yeah, it was a strong team. Yeah, exactly, and that was the current attendance numbers, which I found interesting Because that was the same thing. I was like I wonder how this Hawaii season compares to previous ones.
Speaker 4:And it's actually one of their highest attendances, and I'm I wonder what it was last year before uh spurious went down. Oh yeah I wonder if they were like trending pretty high.
Speaker 3:Yeah, men's volleyball yeah, men's volleyball in hawaii has been on a pretty consistent like basis. I was. I also did a a graphic on, like, the highest salaries for men's volleyball and so I did a deep dive on all these public documents and Hawaii redacts all of their information. I have to literally do a FOIA request to get the info, but you can see all of the program by program, revenue and donations, and men's volleyball is the highest donated program behind football.
Speaker 1:Like higher than basketball, basketball higher than baseball. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean higher than women's volleyball, like they they get oh, really yeah they're bringing in a ton that's awesome yeah, so men's volleyball is like the number two sport for Hawaii for sure, which was which was cool to see kind of that info. So I was like I mean, charlie, it's definitely up there in terms of the salary for for men's volleyball coaches, but we didn't have any data on it.
Speaker 4:Not until that request.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean my fire request will take like four months, but we'll, we'll find it. You can't hide from me Season one brought to you by the us government doge, I'm coming, I got elon.
Speaker 2:I got elon on it. Charlie, you can't hide. Oh my gosh, can you not? Can you get?
Speaker 4:some lucky charms in your system or something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, we got enough. I don't need the hawaii fans to come hack. Uh, whatever new software, we start using you, you guys got anything else, guys. Pat McAfee is playing volleyball. Oh man.
Speaker 2:Can we talk about that?
Speaker 3:That's great Sure. Did you see that video? I think, so yeah, mcafee wicked four to four. He's like a nice approach too. Where did he play? I don't know, but he definitely has. We should look up his high school.
Speaker 2:Hey Siri, where did Pat approach to like he did? I don't know, but he definitely has. We should look up his high school. We're kind of like, if you go to high school Texas.
Speaker 3:Really, that's my homes. Patrick Mahomes Batman.
Speaker 2:Where did Pat McAfee go to high school?
Speaker 3:He went to plum high school in Pittsburgh. No way he played vars Plum High School in Pittsburgh. No way he played varsity soccer, volleyball and football. Bob, no rankings from Bob this week.
Speaker 2:Bob is going through it. Honestly, I think it probably is mental health at this point.
Speaker 4:I think it's that promotion. Bob's got too much on his plate now he was. He was squeezed for time before and now he's uh that's the big cheese. Now he's managing in a more general sense of the word guys, it's almost baseball season.
Speaker 2:I'm so excited. I know let's go. Can we outside?
Speaker 4:hey, our silent or not silent auction item, our actual auction item yeah, I was talking to her.
Speaker 3:I was talking to her about. I was like hey, like hey, you need to do your auction item.
Speaker 2:I don't have to do anything.
Speaker 3:She's supposed to go to go to drinks with Kit Do and the other parents that bought it and we're going to the Middie Bellarmine high school game on Tuesday.
Speaker 1:Stop offering things If you don't want to do that. It paid like $1,500. Yeah, it paid $1,500.
Speaker 3:You got to go, you got to do it yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay fine.
Speaker 3:What's on Tuesday Middie? Bellarmine's tomorrow 5.30 at Middie. I'm going, we're going. I'm going with Scott Morris and Kyle Chamberlain.
Speaker 4:Kyle Chamberlain's going to be there anyway.
Speaker 3:What do you mean? I'm going, I am going with Chamberlain, I'm going with Scott Morris and Kyle. We're going to go food beforehand. We're going to do a whole thing. It's going to be a date Park station. It's at Middy. We're on a forum, right? Nothing?
Speaker 2:recorded anyway, so it doesn't matter.