S4E10: Jordan Lucas, UC Merced, and LOVB Finals

We react to the Jordan Lucas broadcast clip that set off a viral storm in men’s volleyball and use it to talk about how inclusion actually shows up in sports culture. We also pivot to UC Merced’s packed gym, LOVB’s golden set playoff format, and a quick wedding update that somehow turns into bachelor party planning. 

• our apology for a lost recording and the chaos that follows 
• the UC Irvine vs CSUN moment and why the “popped” comment hits differently 
• how Jordan Lucas’ visibility shapes LGBTQ+ comfort in boys volleyball culture 
• why representation keeps young athletes playing and feeling safe 
• UC Merced’s first-year MPSF buzz and what fan energy can do for growth 
• LOVB finals, the golden set tiebreaker, and the pros and cons of the format 
• our gripe with team naming and what makes leagues feel “real” 
• the latest wedding update and the loose plan for a bachelor party 

So look it up on YouTube. Did Volleyball Fumble The Gays? 

Transcript

Welcome And Lost Episode Apology

Arielle Houlihan 0:00

Welcome to the Gay Puerto Rican podcast. We are a gay Puerto Rican podcast now, everybody. Welcome to it. This is the Coach's Group Chat.

Matt Houlihan 0:19

I have a I have an apology I need to need to issue. To me? To the gays or the Puerto Ricans? To the gay Puerto Rican podcast community. We recorded an episode.

Arielle Houlihan 0:29

Oh yeah.

Matt Houlihan 0:30

We recorded an episode.

Arielle Houlihan 0:32

Well, at this point you could say we recorded three.

Matt Houlihan 0:34

A week ago. Two weeks ago. Three. And you know, in my in my haste, and actually in my AI struggles, because I had all of my AI, has just eaten all of the storage on my computer. My episode that we recorded didn't record the audio, but it recorded the video. So we have a non-verbal video file.

Daniel Rasay 0:56

We have a podcast with a deaf community.

Matt Houlihan 1:02

We could get an ASL translation as well as like one of those people who does the voiceovers or like reads lips. We could get you guys that episode. But until then, I'm just gonna apologize for my technical inefficiency.

Arielle Houlihan 1:15

It happens once a season at least. So Daniel, welcome to your first lost episode.

Matt Houlihan 1:21

Yeah, sorry, Daniel. I felt most I you know, Chad, I know I I feel bad for Chad, but not as bad. But I feel bad for Daniel. Yeah. Because he he drove all this way and he has children and left his home to come be here. And I didn't even I didn't even get the audio of children.

Arielle Houlihan 1:35

I also had your children for you.

Matt Houlihan 1:38

Yeah, but you didn't need to drive anywhere.

Daniel Rasay 1:39

You were gonna be here regardless. The driving part is the harder part than having children.

Arielle Houlihan 1:44

That's for sure. Okay, fine. Um we've got a great episode, everybody. What are we gonna talk about today? It's been a busy week. We've got to talk about the gays. That's that's the majority of our podcast is gonna be talking about the gays today.

Matt Houlihan 2:00

And can we should we start by giving ourselves some flowers?

Arielle Houlihan 2:04

Matt told me right before this that uh we talked about this two months ago. I didn't remember that we did. There is proof.

Matt Houlihan 2:11

There is proof. It's literally posted. But back in February, we had the conversation. I brought up, did volleyball fumble the gays? So look it up on YouTube. Did volleyball fumble the gays? And obviously the answer was yes. Obviously. After the the things that have transpired this week, but it was going back to the idea of heated rivalry and hockey was getting a whole gay community.

Arielle Houlihan 2:30

So we did talk about it, and then this weekend was the gayest weekend in all of men's volleyball. And we are gonna let's we're let's let's uh set the scene for the people that don't know what has happened.

Matt Houlihan 2:44

Please.

Arielle Houlihan 2:48

Would you like me to do that?

The Jordan Lucas Commentator Controversy

Matt Houlihan 2:49

I will set the scene out of check. I will be the scene setter and you can commentate. Okay, okay. All right, it is the UC Irvine versus C Sun volleyball match at UC Irvine. Night one. Night one. This is big playoff implications for UC Irvine. They need this weekend. They gotta beat C Sun twice to make sure they're in contention for that at last.

Arielle Houlihan 3:09

Which they did.

Matt Houlihan 3:10

Which they did. But during this, one Jordan Lucas, who is infamously himself when playing volleyball. He is out, he is out there and he is in your face, and he is celebrating, and he is yeah, it's been he's been doing that since he's 14, like a literal show at club volleyball tournaments since he was a little kid. Yep. And he's doing the same thing in college, and he's been doing it while playing at a very high level. Against USC, he hit 500 on 30 kills. Yeah. He yeah, he had a great night one against UC Irvine during this broadcast, which you know, UC Irvine's had its own little snafu this season with some complaints about them not live streaming matches. Well, one of these matches was a live stream, and the announcer on said live broadcast, Charlie Brandt, who is a Southern California legendary volleyball figure, uh, he he was frustrated with one Jordan Lucas' demeanor, and he decided that he had had enough and said after a Jordan Lucas kill where he stares down, I believe Cameron Costi, he goes, I can't believe that no one has popped Jordan Lucas yet. His antics are unacceptable, and sure enough, some people who were listening to the live stream saw that, heard that, screen recorded it, clipped it, and very quickly the clip was circulated across social media.

Arielle Houlihan 4:36

Yes.

Matt Houlihan 4:37

Take it from here.

Arielle Houlihan 4:38

There was a few uh people who commentate on men's volleyball that I had seen that had posted it. Um and my I mean, my mouth dropped and I saw I heard it, and I was like, you're joking me like that. I cannot believe that those words just came out of his mouth when when talking about this. Um, I automatically was like, I think I need to say something. I just felt very overcome with like, I need to say something here because I have a perspective on this. Um, and so I just started writing my thoughts on the whole situation. Um, and then I posted it that next morning. Uh it was, it, it flew pretty quickly. Um, and there was another, there was a couple people. I think I I don't follow a ton of volleyball influencer people, um, but there was a bunch of people that commentated on this whole situation. Um, I felt personally the people that had posted stuff uh were all of the gay community. And when I have things that I go through and people that are not in my own community comment and post or say something about it, it means a lot more to me when they go out of their way to say something. And so I felt this responsibility almost as somebody who's not in the gay community to say something because I felt like my my ability to have impact would mean more if I did say something.

Matt Houlihan 6:13

Can you, just for the listeners, maybe they didn't see it from your perspective of what you wrote, can you just tell a little bit about your caption specifically?

Arielle Houlihan 6:18

Yeah, I mean, I just pretty much said my perspective on it is that this isn't a player of mine or a friend of mine, or I this is just somebody that I've watched for a very, very long time play volleyball. And uh we've had plenty of matches against him. Uh I would say that we ended his club career because we did. We knocked him out. We knocked him out of 18 open semifinals, like and then we went to the finals. Um, we we played that team a million times. Um, and I also had a conversation, and I've I've also watched the way that the culture has continued to grow over the last however many years. And uh one of my best friends in the volleyball community and in life is gay, and he had a conversation with me at one point saying, like, this like Jordan Lucas really did change volleyball because the way that he put himself out there, it made it a comfortable place for all of the little kids that are gay to be who they are and be themselves. And when he said that, I realized how many kids that I had I I've seen, we've called them the baby gays for a really long time. Um, of like the little like boys volleyball players that all have this like community of friends that they walk around and they're all from different clubs. Everybody knows who they are. Like they're all from different clubs around the country, and they are hysterical. And they just it's like this place that they go on the weekends at these club volleyball tournaments that they're like, these are my buddies, these are my friends, these are like these are my people, these are my people. Um and there have been times where like our teams are playing, and like one of the baby gays is on one of our teams, and then this whole group of other kids comes over and starts cheering for him, and it's like a whole, it's a whole thing. Um, and truly that doesn't happen without Jordan Lucas and what he did. And so my perspective on the whole thing was my perspective changed on this. I was very confused if I liked this or not, or if this was good for the game, or if this was good for like what this really all meant until having that conversation. And for me, that solidified that this is people that are different in the way that they do things doesn't make it wrong or bad. It makes it, I mean, it's hard to look away from, it's very entertaining. And I am a big advocate of things that are entertaining in the sport that make other people want to watch the sport. And it is very apparent after what has happened this weekend that that brings visibility to volleyball. Yeah. Another account posted a highlight clip of Jordan and like a bunch of plays, like all together in celebrations and different stuff. It's over 20 million views. I mean, celebrities.

Matt Houlihan 9:18

Less than less than 48 hours. Like hit them. Like this is gonna hit the algorithm.

Arielle Houlihan 9:22

This will probably hit between 30 and 40 million views on like just it's gonna keep flying here. And there are so many people that are in the comment section just like like just being like, oh, I'd watch volleyball any day if this is what it's like. And like there my comment section is a little bit more of a volatile comment section because it's people arguing on whether this should be allowed or not, and it there's just not as much context, and there's not as there's a lot of okay, so I'm sure there's a lot of arguing and hate in that one as well. But um, I do think that it's it's a I don't really know where I was going with that.

Matt Houlihan 10:01

Alright, I I Daniel and Chad, obviously, I think all of us playing boys' volleyball, men's volleyball most likely have had gay teammates, openly gay teammates, or closet of gay teammates that then later came out. From your guys' perspective, seeing this, seeing this dynamic unfold where we are currently at, A, in this day and age, but also B, just watching how volleyball has progressed over the past 10, 20 years. In your guys' eyes, what was your what was your first thought when you saw this situation? Assuming you guys saw this pop up on your on your algorithms at some point here. Maybe Daniel, we can start with you.

Daniel Rasay 10:42

Uh I mean, I was same same reaction when I heard the comment from Charlie. Just like you could feel why it was said because it was something that's different, right? Guys talk shit all the time. Yeah, all the time. And they're flexing or staring down all the time, right? And why isn't there a comment when that happens? And so I don't know. I i I think it's bad that he said it, but good that it brought some eyes on it. Because you know, I've played in a handful of NAGO tournaments, and it makes me happy to see people in their community being themselves. And at first it was uncomfortable for me because that's not my community, but it uh it was just great for me for me because I think sports needs to be something that allows people to be genuinely themselves. And if young athletes don't feel comfortable, then they're gonna stop playing or they're just not gonna be happy in that space. And so I think representation is really important. And same when I play Nine Man, the the Asian guys are in their space and they feel comfortable being themselves. And so if we can make this wonderful volleyball community inclusive of these different walks of life, I think it just makes our game so much better.

SPEAKER_04 12:12

Yeah, yeah.

Daniel Rasay 12:13

Chad, what's your thoughts? Do you were you were you in?

Chad Gordon 12:15

Do you want me to follow that eloquent statement? I mean, damn.

Matt Houlihan 12:18

Do you want to pop the gay community or should we include them? What do you think?

Chad Gordon 12:22

I I would I would lean towards inclusion. I just want to feel like that's that's safer. I mean, yeah, I think I think Doc hits it on the head. Um the only thing I was thinking about is like kind of as you as we all get older and we've you know known each other for a while, like what's kind of the point of sport, and it's like you want to compete and you want to you want to grow and develop and learn these life lessons and whatever, but it's also about inclusion, people just being themselves and like having a good time. Like, and and it's okay to have disagreements and all these things, but like it's it's a unifying thing. So I I really I I don't know, I really like what Doc was saying about that. I mean, I think it just hits the nail on the head for me.

Matt Houlihan 12:58

Totally. We I mean, and uh just to hearken back to what we said before, when we talked about this two months ago, back in February, the thing that we kind of were conversing about was that volleyball has been the gay safe haven for a long time. Like people, for whatever reason, it's just been more openly acceptable to a degree. And you can still see like this this is an example of some of the call it backwards thinking, call it bigotry, whatever you want to call it. Generational something. There's still examples of of it being a problem, but for the most part, you volleyball has been a very active gay community, and being able to finally say and just like have some galvanizing moments like this to just say we accept that and we know that doesn't make you any person that plays volleyball. Like, I think there's a degree where like guys are afraid to say they play volleyball because people think they're gay, because it's a girl sport, right? Because it's the girl sport, whatever it may be, only in America, right? But in reality, right, like oh exactly, you go literally anywhere else, and volleyball is one of the most popular sports in the world, and people just need to get over it, right? You gotta get over that image of of what it appears to be, and just understand like in every sport you play, there are also gay people, they're just more closeted because it's less accepted and they're afraid. To go back to the point of our our friend, when our friend first started coaching volleyball, he was told to hide the fact that he was gay because it could make people feel uncomfortable. Right.

Arielle Houlihan 14:28

Of coaching youth sports, of coaching, of coaching kids.

Matt Houlihan 14:31

Yeah, right. And like that's just not what we need, and that's not the way it should be. And that's the he is one of the best coaches that we have ever had.

Arielle Houlihan 14:40

Correct.

Matt Houlihan 14:40

Right? And that's that's what we need. More inclusion, doc hit the nail on the head. All right, we're gonna hard pivot now and act like I definitely didn't have a technical difficulty. Uh we're moving on to difficulty.

SPEAKER_04 14:56

Is it an actual crazy statement for what just happened?

Matt Houlihan 14:59

We may have recorded the entire podcast and I fucked up again and it didn't record, but we're here now.

Chad Gordon 15:04

The intro to the pod was you like, uh, you know, my full lost episode. Haven't done this in a couple weeks.

Arielle Houlihan 15:09

This is an ad for a technical coordinator of the coach's group chat. Like a real one, not Bob, not Bob, please. Anyone with a B name, not Matt, not just somebody who can dedicated to the craft.

Matt Houlihan 15:26

Someone save us. Uh save me for myself, please.

Arielle Houlihan 15:30

We don't know what we're doing, but honestly, it's fine. But let's talk about UC Merced. Daniel's like, I need new friends.

Daniel Rasay 15:36

No, I almost made a comment about I tried to save you, but two of three. Chad, you got anything to say?

Matt Houlihan 15:45

You got anything, you got anything over there?

Arielle Houlihan 15:47

I heard that UC Merced is the Nebraska of the armpit of UC Mercedes Nebraska's armpit.

Matt Houlihan 15:56

Some people, not us, not us, we don't say this, have said that Merced is the armpit of California.

Chad Gordon 16:04

We did not. I've only heard it. I've never said it.

Matt Houlihan 16:07

We have said that Merced is the Nebraska of California.

Arielle Houlihan 16:11

Yeah, men's volleyball.

Matt Houlihan 16:12

Nebraska of men's volleyball. Yeah. Looking at the UC Merced matches, I've had to had to scout a couple of opponents, and they've played against UC Mercedes the weekend before. They have packed their gym. It's only 1,500 people that can fit in the gym, but man oh man, UCLA was standing room only. Literally, probably illegal, the amount of people that were in there. The fire marshal would have ended that event. If I was Hawks, I would have called the fire marshal. Yeah. Well, I mean, Mercedes wins after the second set.

Arielle Houlihan 16:41

That would have been funny.

Matt Houlihan 16:42

Merced won the first set. Doc Doc was what why were you watching, by the way? Or did you just see it pop up?

Daniel Rasay 16:47

I was just curious. I was flipping back between the Stanford match and it was the easy to flip to. Is that why? Yeah, it was on Big Ten. Big Ten. So I could go multi-screen.

Chad Gordon 16:57

He's a fan of the cats.

Matt Houlihan 16:58

Those cats were like a lot.

Daniel Rasay 16:58

I gotta do my research for this podcast, too.

Matt Houlihan 17:01

All right, so let me let me just lay the groundwork of watching them, watching their matches. They have done an amazing job of packing their gym. This is their first year in the MPSF. They've got they've had BYU come, they've had UCLA come. Were you thinking packed the pit?

Arielle Houlihan 17:15

I was thinking of how much Matt the Oh, that's that's rough. I was thinking of how many times Matt said let's lay the groundwork tonight.

Matt Houlihan 17:26

I can start saying low-hanging fruit if you like my fruit. What other cliches can I absolutely I have to apologize?

Arielle Houlihan 17:35

This is like the funniest episode ever, but it's not gonna be funny for the listeners because the listeners are gonna be like, why is this so choppy and weird?

Matt Houlihan 17:42

Don't worry, editing magic is gonna solve everything.

Arielle Houlihan 17:45

Okay.

Matt Houlihan 17:46

Give me my 45 minutes back. Can I just lay the groundwork one more time? Congratulations to UC Merced, national champions.

Daniel Rasay 17:57

This is gonna become a drinking game where people take a shot.

Arielle Houlihan 18:01

Every time you think there's a cut and Matt messed up.

Matt Houlihan 18:05

Yeah. So UC Merced's the Nebraska of men's wallet ball. Yeah, it's that official end of sentence. Shall we now hard pivot once more?

Arielle Houlihan 18:15

To love.

Matt Houlihan 18:16

To love. The love finals. Ariel, you have the grace to be able to tell us.

Arielle Houlihan 18:23

And I did do this once already, so I should take two. I should know what I'm talking about at this point. Okay. Love finals this week in LA at the pyramid.

Matt Houlihan 18:35

The Walter Pyramid.

Arielle Houlihan 18:36

Not LA. Long Beach.

Matt Houlihan 18:38

That's Long Beach, yeah.

Arielle Houlihan 18:39

Um the finals are between Not the Mormons.

Chad Gordon 18:43

Salt Lake City.

Arielle Houlihan 18:43

Salt Lake City and Austin. The Texas national team. Yep. There it is. The Texas national team is playing the real housewives of not the Mormons.

Daniel Rasay 18:55

Let me tell you. The golden let me lay the ground there.

SPEAKER_04 19:00

Oh, so you know how to speak his language.

Daniel Rasay 19:05

I actually watched a golden set because we were watching the um Atlanta Austin match. And I was surprised because they had talked about the series. So the first match was won by Atlanta, I believe. The pink team. The pink team. And then we were watching the second match, and then we realized they were tied 1-1. Are they gonna play a third entire match for the series? And said no. In five minutes, we're gonna play the golden set, which is a set to 15.

Arielle Houlihan 19:39

And then a Quidditch came on the screen and it was like And winner goes to the finals.

Daniel Rasay 19:45

So winner take all. It's kind of like a sudden death. Yeah, it was. It was a pretty good golden set. The best one I've ever watched. Only one you've ever watched.

Arielle Houlihan 19:54

And then the same thing happened in the other semifinal. And if they play on Thursday, I think for the finals, and then they play on Saturday, and if they split it, then it's another golden set. What do we think about this?

Matt Houlihan 20:07

I think it's clever. It's a clever cost saving measure in my eyes. Right? The NBA would never allow this. You but the reason why the reason why they play short baseball is the same thing, right? They do the playoff, the one game playoff for the wild card, and then it's like best of five, and then it goes best of seven. Yep. It's cost saving. So it's creative because you get one match at each, and then I believe the higher seed is the home site, so they get the golden set if it comes down to it, right? So they kind of have an advantage there. But also you don't have to wait another day and then travel and I wonder if ticket sales are uh higher for Saturday's game than Thursday's game.

Arielle Houlihan 20:51

They're five dollars for Thursday's game and sale.

Matt Houlihan 20:54

Yeah, if I if I if I went to the first game, I'm like, I want to where's my discount? I want a little refund. I got I got a whole less set of volleyball. Or it's just it's just baked in. No, but it's I do like that it just creates it's the hockey, it's the hockey sudden death. There's just there's just a an aspect that makes it.

Arielle Houlihan 21:12

It's like the crossover.

Matt Houlihan 21:14

Yes. We all hate the crossover, but you love the crossover at the same time when you win it. So we like it. We're fans. Can I talk about what I'm not a fan of?

Arielle Houlihan 21:26

Yeah.

Matt Houlihan 21:27

I'm not a fan of love's names.

Arielle Houlihan 21:30

Yeah, me neither.

Matt Houlihan 21:31

We gotta get we gotta we gotta switch this. We need to change it now. Give me an actual pro sports franchise name so that I can get behind something.

Arielle Houlihan 21:39

Yeah, I don't like the reinventing of the wheel with the pro this pro sports model for love. I think that's what the MLV has going for it. That it's like there's a draft. There's like people own the teams and they actually own them. With love, it's like they're making all the decisions for all these teams right now. And they're spreading the wealth and they're placing the players and they're the like there's no they're moving towards that. They're moving towards it. And until they move, until they're actually at that place, I think that's where there will be like some real interesting things happening with it.

Matt Houlihan 22:14

But right now it it's all scrimmage like I just yeah, I didn't understand the one flaw I I saw from it was if we're if you're planning on getting to that already from a branding perspective, why not just do the branding up front so that there's this entrenched you're building a relationship all of a sudden I agree like all of these matches do have a degree where it feels like a scrimmage, it feels like a scrimmage rather than team versus team, my city versus your city. It's a different dynamic.

Arielle Houlihan 22:43

But we're the I guess we'll get there. We don't need to like criticize everything.

Matt Houlihan 22:47

Yeah, we know I there's so many good things that they're doing.

Arielle Houlihan 22:49

Yeah.

Matt Houlihan 22:50

You know, I I'm a I'm a fan of many things and many degrees. Sure. But a guy can nitpick, you know? We it's okay to call balls and strikes here. I'd call that a ball. Ball by them, strike by the Omaha supernovos, because they keep on selling everything out.

Arielle Houlihan 23:04

And a 25-year-old is running that team right now. That's pretty funny.

Matt Houlihan 23:07

Shout out to that guy, right?

Arielle Houlihan 23:08

Give more 25 years old.

Matt Houlihan 23:10

Daniel's 25.

Arielle Houlihan 23:11

Give more 25-year-olds head coaching jobs.

Matt Houlihan 23:14

I was 25 when I took over Beta Bay.

Arielle Houlihan 23:16

You were 22.

Matt Houlihan 23:18

I was 22. I was less than. See?

Arielle Houlihan 23:22

You weren't ready to do that, but are we ready for anything?

Daniel Rasay 23:28

Yeah.

Matt Houlihan 23:28

Is there ever really a good time or a bad time? No.

Arielle Houlihan 23:36

The question is, did we record this podcast?

Wedding Update And Bachelor Party Plans

Matt Houlihan 23:40

No. Well, we need to get to the wedding update.

Arielle Houlihan 23:44

Oh, yeah, the wedding web date.

Matt Houlihan 23:45

So now that Chad has had a chance to rehearse, like the rehearsal dinner, he's gonna be even better at his wedding web date. Chad, ready, set. Whoa. Whoa.

Chad Gordon 23:59

Uh, like was mentioned about 15 minutes ago, no update because we're waiting on waiting. I'm like, wait, that's actually the word. Yeah, that's how you say that, yeah. Waiting on the when you uh to get back to us because it's a little bit more old timey. Uh so we're kind of in a holding pattern. We have sent the carrier pigeons and the faxes and all this kind of stuff. Uh, message in the bottle comes up next week. So no updates yet. Lacey's going back to New York uh in a month or so.

Arielle Houlihan 24:26

I might be going with her.

Chad Gordon 24:28

She might be joined by somebody, uh special guest. But unfortunately, right now, until you kind of have that date in that venue, kind of it's a blocker, as they say. P0. Do you have a Pinterest board going? I do not have a Pinterest board going. Why not?

Arielle Houlihan 24:42

I have a question about the wedding web date.

Chad Gordon 24:44

Wedding what yeah, yeah.

Arielle Houlihan 24:45

Where's the bachelor party? I don't know. When is the bachelor party? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 24:51

Why is the bachelor party?

Matt Houlihan 24:53

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 24:53

Should you there be a bachelor party? I don't know.

Matt Houlihan 24:56

Come on. Yes is the answer. Absolutely. There's a bachelor party. Alangie's on it.

Chad Gordon 25:01

We have a just tell Elonji he's in charge and he will he will plan it all. Elonji knows I just want to like drink beers and hang out with you guys anyway. Like it's not that it's really a player.

Arielle Houlihan 25:09

Okay, so we are volunteering Bob to plan Chad's bachelor party. Sold.

Matt Houlihan 25:14

Deal. Done. It might be at the San Jose Giants game. It might not be. Who knows? It might be in Puerto Rico.

Chad Gordon 25:19

I love a spontaneous gigante on a Tuesday afternoon.

Arielle Houlihan 25:22

In Merced.

Chad Gordon 25:23

I feel like the Nebraska of men's volleyball is a great place for your joke that they missed from an hour ago that we didn't have anymore was that the Bobcat is the gateway cat.

Matt Houlihan 25:32

It is. The gateway to Yosemite is Merced. That's a problem. And Chad and I do love a good trip to Yosemite. So there's many options that we have here. Love Merced. Nebraska.

Arielle Houlihan 25:46

That's the name. That should be the theme of your bachelor party. Love Merced.

Matt Houlihan 25:50

Hello, VB, Merced. It's the first league. I'll get on the shirts.

Final Jokes And Sign Off

Arielle Houlihan 25:56

That's funny.

Matt Houlihan 25:57

Can we go home now? Another rousing episode that was officially recorded. Well, we'll see. At least right now, that will be posted. Hopefully.

Arielle Houlihan 26:07

Thanks for coming to our gay Puerto Rican podcast.

Matt Houlihan 26:10

We'll be back next week with more. The La Vida Loca. More or less.